An open apology

[Night_Spirit]

I've seen to have gotten off to the wrong foot here. So I apologize for
some of my posts.

I am not a troll and I purpose here was to make contact with some on my old
friends on WebTV and to see how they are doing.

Here is a little bit of my WebTV background.

On WebTV I was known as hipdelbert and was one of the founders of APBH. I
was one of the testers for the club groups. My Website Riverton Common was
very popular. I went though some flame wars in those days but they were few
and far between. In those days I hung out in alt.discuss.config and
newtons. Most of my time however was spent in alt.discuss.pagebuilder.help
and later in the APBH club groups.

For those that are interested I've brought back Riverton Common. Email me
if you want the addy.

[Freida Harris]

Post by Night_Spirit
I've seen to have gotten off to the wrong foot here. So I apologize for
some of my posts.
I am not a troll and I purpose here was to make contact with some on my old
friends on WebTV and to see how they are doing.

<snip>

Hello, Dale. I didn't know you when you were on WebTV, but I've heard a
great deal about you.

Some people still talk about the "BC wars" of alt.pagebuilder.help. In fact,
I am one of the ones who has wondered if there is a connection between those
problems and what has gone on recently.

Can you tell us anything about the problems there? What was the main cause
of the animosity against BC? Some of us would like to track down any
connections -even individuals. I never posted there, so I don't even know
the "players."

Could you give us a brief synopsis from your point of view?

FZH

[Night_Spirit]

Through the swirling mists of green fog Freida Harris voice fearlessly
called out to us

Post by Freida Harris

Post by Night_Spirit
I've seen to have gotten off to the wrong foot here. So I apologize
for some of my posts.
I am not a troll and I purpose here was to make contact with some on
my old friends on WebTV and to see how they are doing.

<snip>
Hello, Dale. I didn't know you when you were on WebTV, but I've heard
a great deal about you.
Some people still talk about the "BC wars" of alt.pagebuilder.help.
In fact, I am one of the ones who has wondered if there is a
connection between those problems and what has gone on recently.
Can you tell us anything about the problems there? What was the main
cause of the animosity against BC? Some of us would like to track
down any connections -even individuals. I never posted there, so I
don't even know the "players."
Could you give us a brief synopsis from your point of view?
FZH

Well basicly me and several others created a helpsite called APBH and didn't
include BC in any of the discussion we had about. She didn't like us
launching a competing help site to her and started rasing hell about it. As
to those in involve in it the war there was me and my sister, BC, Sweet
Medicine, and several others who are nolonger posting regular so I will
leave out their names. The worst thing that happened that summer was BC
posting some personal info about Sweet Medicine and Sweet Medicine
retailating in kind. BC and one and one of her supporters then flooding
alt.discuss,pagebuilder,help to push her personal info off the board. By
that time My Sister and had quit participing in the war and went on to other
things. I doubt anyone involved in that had anything to do with this recent
war which from the sound of it makes what happen then tame by comparssion.

Looking back I and realizing that it was all over something so stupid as a
website I feel shame for my part in it. I lost some good friends because of
it. The bottom line is that flame wars there are no winners and a Newsgroup
ends up the big loser.

[Night_Spirit]

Through the swirling mists of green fog Night_Spirit voice fearlessly
called out to us

Post by Night_Spirit
Through the swirling mists of green fog Freida Harris voice
fearlessly called out to us

Post by Freida Harris

Post by Night_Spirit
I've seen to have gotten off to the wrong foot here. So I apologize
for some of my posts.
I am not a troll and I purpose here was to make contact with some on
my old friends on WebTV and to see how they are doing.

<snip>
Hello, Dale. I didn't know you when you were on WebTV, but I've heard
a great deal about you.
Some people still talk about the "BC wars" of alt.pagebuilder.help.
In fact, I am one of the ones who has wondered if there is a
connection between those problems and what has gone on recently.
Can you tell us anything about the problems there? What was the main
cause of the animosity against BC? Some of us would like to track
down any connections -even individuals. I never posted there, so I
don't even know the "players."
Could you give us a brief synopsis from your point of view?
FZH

Well basically me and several others created a helpsite called APBH and
didn't include BC in any of the discussion we had about. She didn't
like us launching a competing help site to her and started raising
hell about it. As to those in involve in it the war there was me and
my sister, BC, Sweet Medicine, and several others who are nolonger
posting regular so I will leave out their names. The worst thing
that happened that summer was BC posting some personal info about
Sweet Medicine and Sweet Medicine retaliating in kind. BC and one
and one of her supporters then flooding alt.discuss,pagebuilder,help
to push her personal info off the board. By that time My Sister and
had quit participating in the war and went on to other things. I doubt
anyone involved in that had anything to do with this recent war which
from the sound of it makes what happen then tame by comparison.
Looking back I and realizing that it was all over something so stupid
as a website I feel shame for my part in it. I lost some good friends
because of it. The bottom line is that flame wars there are no
winners and a Newsgroup ends up the big loser.

Ps
I think the animosity stems from some of the post she made about Me and the
others that had create the site. That turned a lot of people against her
and then when she flooded the group that effectively destroyed any
credibility she had left in that group. I really hope that BC is happy and
doing well. I am a shamed of my part in destroying for a time a Newsgroup
that had up until then been exemplary in it's unity and close friendships.

[B J]

Too bad you gave an honest assessment of the happenings and owned up to
your feelings about what happened.

FritzRitz was hoping to author a 30 screen scroll reply based upon your
revelations and leave the bleeding foes upon the battlefield of Usenet.

BJ

[Night_Spirit]

Through the swirling mists of green fog B J voice fearlessly called
out to us

Post by B J
Too bad you gave an honest assessment of the happenings and owned up
to your feelings about what happened.
FritzRitz was hoping to author a 30 screen scroll reply based upon
your revelations and leave the bleeding foes upon the battlefield of
Usenet.
BJ

Well I don't know what her motives are I just told what happen and how I
feel about it now. Time as way of giving us perspective. I changed in a lot
of ways since those days. I've came to realize that each of us as path we
must follow and all along the way there are lessons to be learn and applied.
The hardest lesson for me was owning up to the mistakes I 've made along my
path.

[Charmed]

Night Spirit,

No apology was required by you for anything.

Also, thanks for sharing your experience of the "BC Saga" as that is
what I understood to have happened. I only found the group as it was
being flooded, so I didn't have any firsthand knowledge of what led up
to it.

However, you confirmed the secondhand knowledge I had. Unfortunately,
the one who asked you about it will not be satisfied. Expect a dozen
more questions to lead you to where that poster wants you to go, and I
assume you can handle it.

Have a nice week.

[Nancy]

Hi Dale, I remember your name, I was anne112 at the time...don't think
we had any direct contact but it's good to see ya all the same.

[Night_Spirit]

Through the swirling mists of green fog Nancy voice fearlessly called
out to us

Post by Nancy
Hi Dale, I remember your name, I was anne112 at the time...don't think
we had any direct contact but it's good to see ya all the same.

I don't believe we did, though I recognize your old nick. Nice seeing you
too!

[Inquiring_Minds_ Want_to_Know]

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[unknown]

LOL You wish you could even come a ninnth to the kind of person Freida is
& the amount of respect she has. Mega-lady :)

Post by Inquiring_Minds_ Want_to_Know
Good to see you Dale and hope you and your's are doing fine.
"The worst thing that happened that summer was BC posting some personal
info about Sweet Medicine and Sweet Medicine retailating in kind."
That is not true. It was a Dolly who posted BC's public web site
information.
An unknown to me (at that time) named Had33, Ellie, sent me that info.
to post and I refused.
You are mistaken in this and the entire debacle was archived.
It was a sad and horribly frustrating way to be introduced to
"discussion groups" and I realized after that I was a pawn used by
_several_ people who had it in for BC, including a couple of her cyber
ex'es.
But also, it was much more then what happened in a newsgroup, it was the
accumulation of many nasty deeds "behind the scenes" between and by all
of you. But most especially the evil and threatening "Candy Grams" many
innocent people who posted in APH rec'vd from BC.
As far as Freida Z. Harris, she has trolled this subject for _years_
now, even after her cabal stated over and over and over again, "They
didn't want to hear it!".
Surely you remember that part to, Dale.
She is only baiting and trolling you now, like she does every one of her
targets in the alt.discuss groups to this day.
I learned a long and valuable lesson back then as well, from all of you
involved.
I do not appreciate your lack of remembrance of the "facts".
I will not allow this troll from the news:alt.discuss.watchtower to use
this long dead and TOS'd subject as a tool to disrupt this topical
group, as her friends are all doing in here already with their "GET
MSNTV and M7!" rhetoric.
You can read the next "Tower news" slam fest in an "Interview with Beth
Candy" that Warrencarole has already announced was going to be in their
next issue in the groups the other day.
For very good web help, go to http://draac.com for excellent tutorials.
Regards,
Deb aka SweetMedicine

[Night_Spirit]

Through the swirling mists of green fog Inquiring_Minds_ Want_to_Know
voice fearlessly called out to us

Good to see you Dale and hope you and yours are doing fine.
"The worst thing that happened that summer was BC posting some
personal info about Sweet Medicine and Sweet Medicine retaliating in
kind."
That is not true. It was a Dolly who posted BC's public web site
information.

For what it is worth I was going on what had been posted in the aftermath of
the flood.

An unknown to me (at that time) named Had33, Ellie, sent me that info.
to post and I refused.
You are mistaken in this and the entire debacle was archived.
It was a sad and horribly frustrating way to be introduced to
"discussion groups" and I realized after that I was a pawn used by
_several_ people who had it in for BC, including a couple of her cyber
ex'es.

I apologize for the wrongs I did to you.

But also, it was much more then what happened in a newsgroup, it was
the accumulation of many nasty deeds "behind the scenes" between and
by all of you. But most especially the evil and threatening "Candy
Grams" many innocent people who posted in APH rec'vd from BC.

Well I am shamed for my part in all of it.

As far as Freida Z. Harris, she has trolled this subject for _years_
now, even after her cabal stated over and over and over again, "They
didn't want to hear it!".
Surely you remember that part to, Dale.

I never went to Watchtower so all I know about Freida is from Config and
Config Newtons. In those two groups she was a reasonable person. If she
choose to troll me she will be bored to tears.

She is only baiting and trolling you now, like she does every one of
her targets in the alt.discuss groups to this day.

She will find that Usenet as given me a hard shell then.

I learned a long and valuable lesson back then as well, from all of
you involved.
I do not appreciate your lack of remembrance of the "facts".

Again I was going what was posted by several people in the aftermath of the
flood.

I will not allow this troll from the news:alt.discuss.watchtower to
use this long dead and TOS'd subject as a tool to disrupt this topical
group, as her friends are all doing in here already with their "GET
MSNTV and M7!" rhetoric.

Your right, it should remain dead and buried.

You can read the next "Tower news" slam fest in an "Interview with
Beth Candy" that Warrencarole has already announced was going to be
in their next issue in the groups the other day.

Well I would be interested to see if time as given BC some perspective on
what happen and why. If it hasn't it won't bother me in the least she has
her path and I have mine.

For very good web help, go to http://draac.com for excellent
tutorials.

To bad Draac's Gifs 123 are nolonger there.

Regards,
Deb aka SweetMedicine

Deb,

Everyone has a path that they must follow and along the way there are
lessons to be learned and applied to our lives. Looking back on the BC wars
I realize how trivial the reason for it all was I lost friends and waste
time that could have been spent more wisely. The lesson I take from is not
to let the trivial divert me from presuing the thing I want to do. Another
thing I took from it is not to become involve in to many projects at one
time so at the moment I am starting up a netizine will be concenstrating on
it and my digitial photography.

Take care Deb.

[Inquiring_Minds_ Want_to_Know]

Thank you for for your "cooperation" in this latest troll game by these
"adults". (sic)

You said:

"For what it is worth I was going on what had been posted in the
aftermath of the flood."

And....

"Again I was going what was posted by several people in the aftermath of
the flood."

The _real deal_ wouldn't have had to "go by what other's posted in the
aftermath" of anything.

Thanks fer playin'! <smile>

For great Pagebuilder help, go to http://BethCandy.com ;)

Deb

[trinity mail]

Thanks for sending me the Riverton Common website. Right now I'm
looking at the Photoshop pages and they are cool. Nice work !!!

[Night_Spirit]

Through the swirling mists of green fog trinity mail voice fearlessly
called out to us

Post by trinity mail
Thanks for sending me the Riverton Common website. Right now I'm
looking at the Photoshop pages and they are cool. Nice work !!!

Thanks I have more images that I haven't worked on yet.

[Fed-up]

Post by Night_Spirit
I've seen to have gotten off to the wrong foot here. So I apologize for
some of my posts.
I am not a troll and I purpose here was to make contact with some on my old
friends on WebTV and to see how they are doing.
Here is a little bit of my WebTV background.
On WebTV I was known as hipdelbert and was one of the founders of APBH. I
was one of the testers for the club groups. My Website Riverton Common was
very popular. I went though some flame wars in those days but they were few
and far between. In those days I hung out in alt.discuss.config and
newtons. Most of my time however was spent in alt.discuss.pagebuilder.help
and later in the APBH club groups.
For those that are interested I've brought back Riverton Common. Email me
if you want the addy.

I knew who you were when you mentioned the old Webtv name. It was
good to see you never became consumed and hateful the way
SweetMedicine disrupted so many newsgroups along the way, and
continues to lie and troll to this day.

[Inquiring_Minds_ Want_to_Know]

Oh yeah!

I should have included myself in the years long agenda to "GET MSNTV, M7
and DEB!", lol!

That's "it" in a nutshell, and funny to watch, especially when the real
deal does become public knowledge.

To all a good night and to all a good troll!

Hi Phil!!! ;)

For great imaging, go to http://webfx.com

[Night_Spirit]

Through the swirling mists of green fog Inquiring_Minds_ Want_to_Know
voice fearlessly called out to us

Post by Inquiring_Minds_ Want_to_Know
Oh yeah!
I should have included myself in the years long agenda to "GET MSNTV,
M7 and DEB!", lol!
That's "it" in a nutshell, and funny to watch, especially when the
real deal does become public knowledge.
To all a good night and to all a good troll!
Hi Phil!!! ;)
For great imaging, go to http://webfx.com

Deb,

I am the real deal and if you think other wise then I'm sorry. I remember
things differently but to be fair IIRC at the time you neither denied nor
claimed to be the one that posted the info. I am not going to take up time
fighting anymore ng wars. I don't know anyting about the recent goings on
in Alt.Discuss except what I've seen posted here and what some have told me
in private emails and no I will not disclose who I've been having email
discussions.

If you can't accept that I am who I say I am then all I can do is pull the
killfile trigger becasue my warrior days are over.

[unknown]

There are 3 types of folks here in the fog you bounced into :) The
onlookers, the aggressive ~stalkers (Charmed, BJ, Smoochie, Azalea, Deb,
Stella, etc) & the walking wounded. The stalkers are the ones searching out
which nic is which so they can attack & send the person into abuse if it's a
webtv'r. So far they have a whole list of people who I am not who they think
are me. LOL I don't know who 1/2 the people are who are posting on the same
'side' as me. So if I don't know, how can they???
But I don't go around trying to 'figure out' who these nic are nor make wild
guesses & post the guesses as fact like the stalkers do. geesh...

The wounded are naturally suspicious, touchy & very angry. And rightfully
so. Be sure to duck when necessary :) Barbara

Post by Night_Spirit
I've seen to have gotten off to the wrong foot here. So I apologize for
some of my posts.
I am not a troll and I purpose here was to make contact with some on my old
friends on WebTV and to see how they are doing.
Here is a little bit of my WebTV background.
On WebTV I was known as hipdelbert and was one of the founders of APBH. I
was one of the testers for the club groups. My Website Riverton Common was
very popular. I went though some flame wars in those days but they were few
and far between. In those days I hung out in alt.discuss.config and
newtons. Most of my time however was spent in alt.discuss.pagebuilder.help
and later in the APBH club groups.
For those that are interested I've brought back Riverton Common. Email me
if you want the addy.
--
With Warm Regards,
Night Spirit

[B J]

Mega_Lady....hahahahaha

Aw lookie here what crawled out of the woodwork.You McCockroach are
living proof that bugs are evolving faster than the chemistry to control
them.

I was reading your rant you posted in Improve last year.You recall the
one that left jaws on the keyboards.Too much Raid?

smooches 8-)

BJ

[Night_Spirit]

Through the swirling mists of green fog mechtild voice fearlessly
called out to us

Post by unknown
There are 3 types of folks here in the fog you bounced into :) The
onlookers, the aggressive ~stalkers (Charmed, BJ, Smoochie, Azalea,
Deb, Stella, etc) & the walking wounded. The stalkers are the ones
searching out which nic is which so they can attack & send the person
into abuse if it's a webtv'r. So far they have a whole list of people
who I am not who they think are me. LOL I don't know who 1/2 the
people are who are posting on the same 'side' as me. So if I don't
know, how can they???
But I don't go around trying to 'figure out' who these nic are nor
make wild guesses & post the guesses as fact like the stalkers do.
geesh...
The wounded are naturally suspicious, touchy & very angry. And
rightfully so. Be sure to duck when necessary :) Barbara

Post by Night_Spirit
I've seen to have gotten off to the wrong foot here. So I apologize
for some of my posts.
I am not a troll and I purpose here was to make contact with some on
my old friends on WebTV and to see how they are doing.
Here is a little bit of my WebTV background.
On WebTV I was known as hipdelbert and was one of the founders of
APBH. I was one of the testers for the club groups. My Website
Riverton Common was very popular. I went though some flame wars in
those days but they were few and far between. In those days I hung
out in alt.discuss.config and newtons. Most of my time however was
spent in alt.discuss.pagebuilder.help and later in the APBH club
groups.
For those that are interested I've brought back Riverton Common.
Email me if you want the addy.
--
With Warm Regards,
Night Spirit

Well there is a saying here on Usenet it goes something like this, Welcome
to Usenet and be sure to keep your flame proof armor handy. Usenet has way
of giving you a tough skin.

Take care Barbara,

[SNL]

Just wanted to hop in and say "Hi!", Night Spirit, though I don't remember
you from webtv, because I never hung out in the Pagebuilders groups, just
a.d. html. :-)

Also wanted to say I agree with & enjoyed your posts about lessons learned,
and following a new path!

Keep on posting! :-)

Post by Night_Spirit
Through the swirling mists of green fog mechtild voice fearlessly
called out to us

Post by unknown
There are 3 types of folks here in the fog you bounced into :) The
onlookers, the aggressive ~stalkers (Charmed, BJ, Smoochie, Azalea,
Deb, Stella, etc) & the walking wounded. The stalkers are the ones
searching out which nic is which so they can attack & send the person
into abuse if it's a webtv'r. So far they have a whole list of people
who I am not who they think are me. LOL I don't know who 1/2 the
people are who are posting on the same 'side' as me. So if I don't
know, how can they???
But I don't go around trying to 'figure out' who these nic are nor
make wild guesses & post the guesses as fact like the stalkers do.
geesh...
The wounded are naturally suspicious, touchy & very angry. And
rightfully so. Be sure to duck when necessary :) Barbara

Post by Night_Spirit
I've seen to have gotten off to the wrong foot here. So I apologize
for some of my posts.
I am not a troll and I purpose here was to make contact with some on
my old friends on WebTV and to see how they are doing.
Here is a little bit of my WebTV background.
On WebTV I was known as hipdelbert and was one of the founders of
APBH. I was one of the testers for the club groups. My Website
Riverton Common was very popular. I went though some flame wars in
those days but they were few and far between. In those days I hung
out in alt.discuss.config and newtons. Most of my time however was
spent in alt.discuss.pagebuilder.help and later in the APBH club
groups.
For those that are interested I've brought back Riverton Common.
Email me if you want the addy.
--
With Warm Regards,
Night Spirit

Well there is a saying here on Usenet it goes something like this, Welcome
to Usenet and be sure to keep your flame proof armor handy. Usenet has way
of giving you a tough skin.
Take care Barbara,
--
Regards
Night Spirit

[Vitriol Trollsbane]

For what it's worth, I neither expected nor needed an apology but thank you for
being level-headed (an apparently dying breed).

I have heard *of* you, but don't recall ever having "met" you during your
WebTV/MSNTV tenure.

In the very earliest days of ADConfig I was probably using the addy DBlank2
and/or Vitriol, though now I use VitriolKOF.

I like graphic arts, so if you'd like you can most certainly email the URL of
your site to this addy (after removing IDontEatSpam.).

TIA

On Mon, 28 Jun 2004 17:43:06 -0400, "Night_Spirit"

Post by Night_Spirit
I've seen to have gotten off to the wrong foot here. So I apologize for
some of my posts.
I am not a troll and I purpose here was to make contact with some on my old
friends on WebTV and to see how they are doing.
Here is a little bit of my WebTV background.
On WebTV I was known as hipdelbert and was one of the founders of APBH. I
was one of the testers for the club groups. My Website Riverton Common was
very popular. I went though some flame wars in those days but they were few
and far between. In those days I hung out in alt.discuss.config and
newtons. Most of my time however was spent in alt.discuss.pagebuilder.help
and later in the APBH club groups.
For those that are interested I've brought back Riverton Common. Email me
if you want the addy.

[d***@gmail.com]

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